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VeganKen
02-28-2003, 08:24 PM
Bookworms Unite!

In another thread, VeganMegan :loveyou: had the idea of a VRF Book Club. Since I'm geeked on the idea I was wondering if anyone else would be interested? Sounds like we'd need to decide on a book, read it, and then discuss it.

Any thoughts/ideas?

jenbizagogo
02-28-2003, 08:31 PM
I think that's a wonderful idea! I have so many AR/vegan books on my bookshelf that I haven't even touched yet! I'm up for it! :D

herbi
02-28-2003, 10:32 PM
I'd LOVE to do this but am poor poor poor, so I voted "depends on the book" b/c unless I *REALLY* wanted that book, I'd have to stick to stuff in the library/used shops & not shell out for a new one every week/month/whenever. :(

Lacykitten
03-01-2003, 01:23 AM
I said YES! though I'm also in the situation where I've gotta do the used book store thing, so if I can't get that book I won't be participating on that one. :) Still interested in trying for anything though! :)

penfold
03-01-2003, 03:08 AM
yup yup yup - great idea Ken!!

"books give me a rash" heh heh

my but: but english language bookage is not super easy straightforward to come by over here, so it might depend what it was.

mudy
03-01-2003, 03:21 AM
I'm in :D


maybe this should be a new thread, but check out the coolest idea ever:

www.bookcrossing.com

redlentils
03-01-2003, 06:16 AM
an excellent idea :)

shedonteatmeat
03-01-2003, 08:05 AM
Awesome idea! I'd love to participate!! :D

VeganMegan
03-01-2003, 10:58 AM
Count me in!


veganmegan = major bookworm :eek:

VeganMegan
03-01-2003, 11:28 AM
Oh my gawd Mudy! Thank you so much for sharing the bookcrossing link! I love it! I signed right up.

I have a lot of books that I would be willing to trade if anyone is interested. Iíll make a new thread sometime this weekend and post a list of everything I have for trade.

mudy
03-01-2003, 02:06 PM
Originally posted by VeganMegan
Oh my gawd Mudy! Thank you so much for sharing the bookcrossing link! I love it! I signed right up.


:blush: thank CBC radio- those little devils ;)

VeganKen
03-02-2003, 12:14 PM
Cool! Looks like there's an interest! Now, any thoughts on a book???

purplemackerel
03-02-2003, 12:38 PM
oops, purple - better late than never - swims in to the thread...great idea...books, lovely books...way to purples heart

misanthropy
03-02-2003, 03:12 PM
How about Erik Marcus', "Vegan: The New Ethics of Eating (http://www.erikmarcus.com)"? The information in the book is timely, appropriate and most of all we can download a PDF version for free.

I'm also pretty broke and notorious for NOT going to the library when I should to support the public library system. Maybe this is a good book to start with?

We could maybe read a set amount of chapters, then discuss, another set of chapters, etc.

What do you think?

-- Ida :)

shedonteatmeat
03-03-2003, 08:04 AM
Very good idea, Ida! ;) I've been meaning to read that one anyway!

herbi
03-03-2003, 10:22 AM
Just lemme know! Someone make it official (maybe start a VRFBC sub-forum here or something to contain all the related threads?) and I'll set about acquiring the required text... :)

misanthropy
03-03-2003, 10:23 AM
Originally posted by shedonteatmeat
Very good idea, Ida! ;) I've been meaning to read that one anyway! Me too! I've been meaning to read this since last year (at least) and this would give me a push to actually sit down and read it.

-- Ida :)

VeganMegan
03-03-2003, 11:47 AM
I've had the book for a couple years now and still haven't read it. I guess it is about time I take a look at it. :cool:


Maybe we should have an individual thread for each book that we read? Who is in charge of rounding everyone up? Ken? :huh:

Rosemary
03-03-2003, 01:36 PM
I sold my copy of Vegan on eBay a month ago.

misanthropy
03-03-2003, 01:44 PM
Originally posted by Rosemary
I sold my copy of Vegan on eBay a month ago. Download it!

http://www.erikmarcus.com

VeganKen
03-03-2003, 06:04 PM
Originally posted by VeganMegan
Maybe we should have an individual thread for each book that we read? Who is in charge of rounding everyone up? Ken? :huh:

How 'bout we leave it as a loose collaboration. :) That way one person doesn't have to feel all responsible for the life of the club.

I'm hip to the book suggestion and it looks like that's what the group is moving towards. Why don't we give everyone at least a week to get started with the reading and then whomever is ready can start a new thread with the header of "VRF Book Club - Vegan: New Ethics". Then we'll just let the mayhem ensue!

Seriously, it would be helpful if when you post you put the chapters that you are discussing in the subject line. That way people can read/add to the discussions at their own pace.

How's that for a plan?

herbi
03-03-2003, 09:33 PM
Originally posted by VeganKen
How's that for a plan?

Aye-aye, Matey!

shedonteatmeat
03-04-2003, 08:33 AM
sounds great! :thumbsup:

Lacykitten
03-04-2003, 09:48 AM
I think everyone should only read x amount of chapters and discuss, so that people don't have to wade through various chapter discussions on the same thread to get to the chapters that they are at? Maybe make notes if you're a fast reader, but don't post til everyone's done the first set, second set, etc?

Just a suggestion. I know that's how book clubs IRL work, if you're reading chapters and not the entire book.

I have this book, read it last year.. I would like to get in on it but I won't be able to start it again for a week or so.. Got recovery this week as well as working on my LARP character for this weekend's game.. blah. But I'm an insanely fast reader so if you wanna pick the number of chapters.. I can dig it.

VeganKen
03-04-2003, 12:02 PM
I wonder if it's possible to have threads (like chapters) within a thread (like the current book)?

Lacykitten
03-04-2003, 01:16 PM
VeganMegan is the Arts forum moderator. I would suggest asking her as well as Dandy about perhaps an actual SECTION for our book club? I think that might be a great idea. That way we wouldn't be causing uninterested people to scroll through all the subjects and topics of book clubs - they would be neat and orderly in one section! :)

erasmus
03-04-2003, 02:29 PM
I'm in. I'll start reading right away, as I'm an insanely slow reader!:confused:

Delirium76
03-05-2003, 06:29 PM
Yay book club!!

I am such a bookworm, I live on books and tofu. :)

Great idea guys!

misanthropy
03-06-2003, 12:44 AM
I'm going to start reading the book this weekend. Whee!

jenbizagogo
03-07-2003, 06:28 PM
I started reading my copy today!!! Yay! I'm excited about this!!! :D

misanthropy
03-08-2003, 01:32 PM
Should we start discussing each chapter as we come to it? Like have a different thread for each chapter so people won't get lost and know where they're at in the book? I already have a few comments to make about chapter 1.

Should we have a separate sub-section of "The Arts" section for the "VRF Book Club"?

VeganKen
03-08-2003, 02:41 PM
I'll send a note to Dandelion and ask for a subsection of the Arts for us.

VeganKen
03-08-2003, 08:40 PM
The Dandelion rocks! :D We have our book club section and a sub-section just for this book! It's at the top of "The Arts section".

herbi
03-10-2003, 01:36 PM
First of all, ARGH! I must get my copy of this!!! This will become my mission for the week... (luckily, I read super-fast so will theoretically be able to catch up quick!)

Secondly, can we have a section in the VRFBC subforum where we post suggestions for possible future picks??? Me & redlentils & misanthropy (who is not blonde) want to add "Sacred Cows & Golden Geese" to the list!!!

Rosemary
03-10-2003, 02:25 PM
Originally posted by herbi
Me & redlentils & misanthropy (who is not blonde) want to add "Sacred Cows & Golden Geese" to the list!!!

Me too!
I've had this book since it first came out, practically, and I still haven't read it!

misanthropy
03-10-2003, 06:09 PM
Actually, my hair HAS been blonde before... hee hee!

Here is my "to read" list.

- Sacred Cows & Golden Geese
- Eternal Treblinka
- Mad Cowboy
- The Dreaded Comparison
- Animal Liberation
- Free the Animals: The Story of the Animal Liberation Front
- Slaughterhouse: The Shocking Story of Greed, Neglect, and Inhumane Treatment Inside the U.S. Meat Industry
- Diet for a New America
- Fast Food Nation

(non-vegan/non-A.R.)

- Merchants of Misery
- Nickel and Dimed: On (Not) Getting By in America

Lacykitten
03-10-2003, 06:29 PM
Originally posted by misanthropy

- Sacred Cows & Golden Geese
- Eternal Treblinka
- Mad Cowboy
- The Dreaded Comparison
- Animal Liberation
- Free the Animals: The Story of the Animal Liberation Front
- Slaughterhouse: The Shocking Story of Greed, Neglect, and Inhumane Treatment Inside the U.S. Meat Industry
- Diet for a New America
- Fast Food Nation


Okay you can't read most of these until I get back from Australia so that I can join in! *laugh* I want to read all these, and discuss! I've read Ma Cowboy and Animal Liberation, though I'd love to get in on discussions on those ones as well.. but pwease pwease pwease don't start any of the others until after June 1? *begs with puppy eyes and everything*

herbi
03-10-2003, 07:08 PM
Oh no! Not the puppy eyes!!! How will we resist??? ;)
So what can we read while you're gone, LK? :rolleyes:

jenbizagogo
03-10-2003, 08:47 PM
I pretty much want to read all the books mentioned by misanthropy, plus these:

Dominion
Rattling The Cage Towards Legal Rights for Animals
Practical Ethics

I still need to get moving on the Erik Marcus book, too! Gah! I started reading it several days ago, but I haven't found much time to pick it up since...must read on bus ride to work tomorrow!!! Hopefully I'll catch up for the discussion on chapter 2!

herbi
03-17-2003, 03:16 PM
OK, I'm in the library having just found a cheap copy of V:tNEoE at the used book store! Woohoo! I am so in the Book Club now! :) Will start readin' this puppy on the bus in the AM and then I can finally take a peek at the Chapter One thread!

Lacykitten
04-01-2003, 11:30 AM
Okay, I'm not going to Australia right now so we can read anything, I just thought I'd update. I have no idea how far folks are on the current selection... ;)

Are we deciding on the next one before the current one is finished, in case folks need to find the book? And how are we deciding? :)

*dancies*

misanthropy
05-03-2003, 10:22 AM
Okay, I am still waiting for my copy of Dominion from the library... but I did take out:

- Animal liberation

- The dreaded comparison : human and animal slavery

- Free the animals! : the untold story of the U.S. Animal Liberation Front and its founder, Valerie

- Mad cowboy

- Sacred cows and golden geese : the human cost of experiments on animals

Does anyone want to take a stab at these? "The Dreaded Comparison" is the shortest of the books and I think I will start with that myself.

VeganKen
05-03-2003, 02:00 PM
I've actually been meaning to post about this. I've been taking classes and I just don't have the time to try and get this book club going. I apologize for doing this but I need to be more realistic with my time.

If anyone else would like to step up that would be great. Otherwise I may try and get things started again in the fall (northern hemisphere).

If you do read the books please feel free to post! :)

dropscone
07-08-2004, 11:04 AM
This was a great idea - does anyone feel like resurrecting it? or has the idea been amalgamated into another thread?

I fancy the idea of a light book and a heavy book going at the same time - if I have to read too much depressing stuff with no antidote I start fretting and can't get to sleep.

citronella49
07-20-2004, 02:20 PM
Yes I think its a great idea... I would love to talk about books with people here... vegan and nonvegan books... infact I am reading a wonderful book now called Shadow of the Wind, I highly recommend it!

dropscone
07-20-2004, 02:44 PM
Who is it by? how far have you got? what's it about so far? :)

I'm reading No Logo by Naomi Klein - it came out about 4 years ago so I can't help feeling that seeing as it talks a lot about up to the minute trends it isn't as *relevant* as it was, but it still contains a lot of interesting commentary. I'm about a third of the way through.

JasonSt
08-04-2004, 10:57 PM
This was a great idea - does anyone feel like resurrecting it? or has the idea been amalgamated into another thread?

I fancy the idea of a light book and a heavy book going at the same time - if I have to read too much depressing stuff with no antidote I start fretting and can't get to sleep.

I'm in. What's the book? I have been wanting to read No Logo so I'll try and procure a copy here this weekend. I also have been wanting to read some Charles Bukowski. Any interest there?

dropscone
08-05-2004, 02:21 AM
I just finished No Logo last night.

Interesting stuff. Be warned that it will probably make you sad and angry.

I don't really buy branded stuff so the first couple of sections were only of academic interest to me, it's when it gets into the sweatshop stuff and the amoral politics of big business that I thought it got a lot more gripping. Outrageous things companies get away with :(

JasonSt
08-13-2004, 11:46 PM
Well, I read three novels by Charles Bukowski on my short get-away. But I guess the point of a book club would be to all read the same book within the same timeframe. Anyone have a good one to get this sucker going?

VeganKen
08-15-2004, 05:50 PM
The book club idea never really caught on like we hoped it would. You may want to try creating a thread for a specific book and see how that goes. :)

hazelfaern
08-04-2006, 07:33 AM
This is a really interesting idea. Anyone interested in resurrecting it?

Vegtink
08-04-2006, 08:29 AM
I would be.

atouria
08-04-2006, 09:15 AM
I would definitely be interested. The problem with starting one up, for me, is always how to choose which books to offer up to the group. I was part of one on a blog, but it has been inactive. The organizer would choose about 5 books and the rest of the members would vote on which one to read and review. I really enjoyed it. But I have so much trouble finding new books that interest me.

So maybe if everyone offered up suggestions with a brief description of each book, then we could start a poll and decide on our choice?

hazelfaern
08-04-2006, 09:46 AM
Oooh, that's a good idea, Autoria. Misanthropy created a list upthread that might make for a good starting point:

Sacred Cows and Golden Geese (http:///www.amazon.com/gp/product/0826414028/sr=8-2/qid=1154702173/ref=sr_1_2/002-9814223-9962405?ie=UTF8)
Eternal Treblinka (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1930051999/sr=1-1/qid=1154702223/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-9814223-9962405?ie=UTF8&s=books)
Mad Cowboy (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0684854465/sr=1-2/qid=1154702309/ref=pd_bbs_2/002-9814223-9962405?ie=UTF8&s=books)
The Dreaded Comparison (http:///www.amazon.com/gp/product/0962449334/sr=1-2/qid=1154702223/ref=pd_bbs_2/002-9814223-9962405?ie=UTF8&s=books)
Animal Liberation (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0060011572/sr=1-1/qid=1154702357/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-9814223-9962405?ie=UTF8&s=books)
Free the Animals! (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1930051220/sr=1-1/qid=1154702395/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-9814223-9962405?ie=UTF8&s=books)
Diet for a New America
(http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0915811812/sr=1-1/qid=1154702454/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-9814223-9962405?ie=UTF8&s=books)
And Jenbizago added:

Dominion (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0312319738/sr=1-1/qid=1154702496/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-9814223-9962405?ie=UTF8&s=books)
Rattling The Cage: Towards Legal Rights for Animals (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0738204374/sr=1-1/qid=1154702538/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-9814223-9962405?ie=UTF8&s=books)
Practical Ethics
(http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/052143971X/sr=1-1/qid=1154702594/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-9814223-9962405?ie=UTF8&s=books)

Anyone else interested in a book that's not mentioned here? Preferences?

grog
08-04-2006, 10:11 AM
I volunteer to read Lord of the Rings. It'll be hard though, all those british words.

seitanicvegan
08-04-2006, 12:08 PM
Oooh, that's a good idea, Autoria. Misanthropy created a list upthread that might make for a good starting point:

Sacred Cows and Golden Geese (http:///www.amazon.com/gp/product/0826414028/sr=8-2/qid=1154702173/ref=sr_1_2/002-9814223-9962405?ie=UTF8)
Eternal Treblinka (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1930051999/sr=1-1/qid=1154702223/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-9814223-9962405?ie=UTF8&s=books)
Mad Cowboy (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0684854465/sr=1-2/qid=1154702309/ref=pd_bbs_2/002-9814223-9962405?ie=UTF8&s=books)
The Dreaded Comparison (http:///www.amazon.com/gp/product/0962449334/sr=1-2/qid=1154702223/ref=pd_bbs_2/002-9814223-9962405?ie=UTF8&s=books)
Animal Liberation (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0060011572/sr=1-1/qid=1154702357/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-9814223-9962405?ie=UTF8&s=books)
Free the Animals! (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1930051220/sr=1-1/qid=1154702395/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-9814223-9962405?ie=UTF8&s=books)
Diet for a New America
(http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0915811812/sr=1-1/qid=1154702454/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-9814223-9962405?ie=UTF8&s=books)
And Jenbizago added:

Dominion (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0312319738/sr=1-1/qid=1154702496/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-9814223-9962405?ie=UTF8&s=books)
Rattling The Cage: Towards Legal Rights for Animals (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0738204374/sr=1-1/qid=1154702538/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-9814223-9962405?ie=UTF8&s=books)
Practical Ethics
(http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/052143971X/sr=1-1/qid=1154702594/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-9814223-9962405?ie=UTF8&s=books)

Anyone else interested in a book that's not mentioned here? Preferences?

I have almost all of those books on my shelf. I've already read Mad Cowboy. I think I'll go for Dominion next.

seitanicvegan
08-04-2006, 12:09 PM
I volunteer to read Lord of the Rings. It'll be hard though, all those british words.

Ha! Start with Silmarillion. I double dog dare ya.

quagga
08-04-2006, 12:32 PM
My suggestion is Tom Regan's Empty Cages. (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0742549933/sr=8-2/qid=1154712621/ref=pd_bbs_2/102-5167235-9665752?ie=UTF8)

grog
08-04-2006, 01:27 PM
Ha! Start with Silmarillion. I double dog dare ya.

read that in 6th grade ;)

I don't plan on reading it again. All the Lost Tales books are good though.

atouria
08-04-2006, 02:25 PM
Ok, maybe the people with the suggestions can tell a little more about their books that they want to submit for the group read?

I've already read Mad cowboy as well. I've read food revolution, the updated diet for a new america, which is quite a long read, or was for me. There will probably be no way to find a book that someone hasn't already read, so i'm up for whatever the group votes for.

bluedawg
08-04-2006, 02:40 PM
don't start with dominion, is my only advice. ;)

Dandelion
08-04-2006, 05:24 PM
don't start with dominion, is my only advice. ;)
sheesh, i agree!

Kat
08-04-2006, 05:41 PM
I think an e-book club might be better :)

Would be more accessable for everyone, at least. Like, I don't have the money to buy new books very often and the only bookstore in town just has used books so the selection isn't terribly vast, and i'm avoiding the library because I owe them books and money they don't have any good books anyways.

JasperKat
08-04-2006, 08:13 PM
I'll join! I haven't read as much about animal rights as a good vegan should :uhoh: so this will be good motivation!

Kat, I don't know much about Ebooks, can you tell us more? I assumed that they wouldn't be available on a wide variety of subjects?

-JK

JasperKat
08-04-2006, 08:18 PM
We could maybe read a set amount of chapters, then discuss, another set of chapters, etc.



I like this idea. Like we could say "everyone read chapters 1-5 by such and such date, and we'll discuss." Also, if money is an issue for anyone, maybe we could run two books at a time, then swap? I could buy one book, and Kat (for example) could buy another off the list, then we could read each one with our group and then mail it to the other to start round 2! Does that make sense?

-JK

Kat
08-04-2006, 08:18 PM
I honestly don't know much about e-books, but I do know that there are some websites with free online libraries.

Kat
08-04-2006, 08:20 PM
I like this idea. Like we could say "everyone read chapters 1-5 by such and such date, and we'll discuss." Also, if money is an issue for anyone, maybe we could run two books at a time, then swap? I could buy one book, and Kat (for example) could buy another off the list, then we could read each one with our group and then mail it to the other to start round 2! Does that make sense?

-JK

I used to do stuff like that, actually, and postage can be just as expensive! it's quite tragic, really.

quagga
08-05-2006, 01:05 AM
What about choosing Erik Marcus' book, Vegan: The New Ethics of Eating?
(http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0935526870/sr=8-1/qid=1154757584/ref=sr_1_1/103-8342249-8789423?ie=UTF8)
it is available as a free PDF download from his site:

http://www.vegan.com/vegandownload.php

That is, if folks want to choose a vegan-oriented book. Or we can choose a classic available through project gutenberg? (http://www.gutenberg.org/)

hazelfaern
08-05-2006, 05:05 AM
What about choosing Erik Marcus' book, Vegan: The New Ethics of Eating?
(http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0935526870/sr=8-1/qid=1154757584/ref=sr_1_1/103-8342249-8789423?ie=UTF8)
it is available as a free PDF download from his site:

http://www.vegan.com/vegandownload.php

That is, if folks want to choose a vegan-oriented book. Or we can choose a classic available through project gutenberg? (http://www.gutenberg.org/)


I like the idea of starting with Erik Marcus' Vegan. I've actually already downloaded the book, I just need a little motivation to delve into it (I'm so with you on the to-read list, JasperKat :))

Kat
08-05-2006, 06:32 AM
quagga saves the day!

I like the idea of starting with Vegan, too.

I'll have a look around at Gutenberg later and see if there's any books there I've liked and would like to foist onto others. :)

bluedawg
08-05-2006, 09:01 AM
hey, i'm reading vegan right now! :happy:

seitanicvegan
08-05-2006, 12:21 PM
I've already read Vegan, but I can read it through again. I'd be interested in discussing it.

dropscone
08-05-2006, 12:42 PM
Me too!

seitanicvegan
08-05-2006, 12:43 PM
Coolness! Should we start a new thread dedicated specifically to this book-read?

This is exciting!

quagga
08-05-2006, 01:57 PM
Heh. Looking through this entire thread, i see that Vegan: The New Ethics of Eating came up a group choice a long time ago. For the same reasons. I'm sure that the very old-tiimers (Grog, Emiloid, Dandy, Herbi) are all laughing over how this thread has come back on itself!

Misanthropy had this suggestion on how to manage it, which I like very much.


Should we start discussing each chapter as we come to it? Like have a different thread for each chapter so people won't get lost and know where they're at in the book? I already have a few comments to make about chapter 1.

seitanicvegan
08-05-2006, 02:00 PM
Sounds good to me.

Dandelion
08-05-2006, 06:58 PM
Heh. Looking through this entire thread, i see that Vegan: The New Ethics of Eating came up a group choice a long time ago. For the same reasons. I'm sure that the very old-tiimers (Grog, Emiloid, Dandy, Herbi) are all laughing over how this thread has come back on itself!

Misanthropy had this suggestion on how to manage it, which I like very much.
You are correct. We actually pulled the Vegan: The New Ethics of Eating forum when the popularity diminished. I can pull that back up if you like. I'd join in for Meat Market but i didn't care much for Vegan.

Sunnysublime
08-05-2006, 08:20 PM
I wanna do this! when does it start?

seitanicvegan
08-05-2006, 09:38 PM
I wanna do this! when does it start?

Right now, I guess. I'm taking the book camping with me so I can review Chapter 1 and post when I get back.

JasperKat
08-17-2006, 06:28 AM
Well, it's been 12 days, has anyone started reading yet?

-JK

hazelfaern
08-17-2006, 07:55 AM
Well, it's been 12 days, has anyone started reading yet?

-JK

Oops. No, not with the conference. But I'm planning on delving into Vegan todaaay! (girl scout's honor)

Didn't SV say she was taking it with her on her camping trip?