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oldradical
06-01-2009, 09:38 AM
Greenpeace Calls for Boycott of "Brazilian Cattle Products"

British supermarkets accused over destruction of Amazon rainforest

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/may/31/supermarkets-amazon-cattle-deforestation-greenpeace

A good illustration of the ecological madness of meat-eating...but why couldn't they just call it 'beef'?

nauthiz
06-01-2009, 09:58 AM
why couldn't they just call it 'beef'?

Presumably because they were also thinking of other products that come from cattle like tripe and leather.

Mahk
06-01-2009, 10:36 PM
Care about the rainforest? Boycott soy (http://vodpod.com/watch/825973-amazon-deforestation-soy) products.

Miso Vegan
06-01-2009, 11:00 PM
The soy that is grown in the Amazon is primarily used as cattle feed.

Mahk
06-02-2009, 12:00 AM
20% is for human use.

veganshawn
06-02-2009, 12:04 AM
20% is for human food.

Can you back this statics up?

Miso Vegan
06-02-2009, 12:05 AM
So, the message is actually, "Care about the rainforest? Buy US-grown soy." And, I'd argue, organic.


I wonder if the rainforest-soy that is used for human consumption is going to the US anyway.

veganshawn
06-02-2009, 12:07 AM
So, the message is actually, "Care about the rainforest? Buy US-grown soy." And, I'd argue, organic.


I wonder if the rainforest-soy that is used for human consumption is going to the US anyway.

I doubt it is, a lot of soy that is used for human consumption is grown in the midwest.

Mahk
06-02-2009, 12:42 AM
" the soy Argentina grows isn't actually feeding people. The vast majority (above 80 percent) of soybeans are bound for animal feedlots, providing protein for cattle, hogs and poultry."

-Greenpeace "Invasion of the forest snatchers" 2005 (http://www.greenpeace.org/international/news/invasion-of-the-forest-snatche)

nauthiz
06-02-2009, 01:00 AM
It isn't safe to assume that any soybeans that don't become livestock feed end up being consumed by humans instead. There are myriad other uses for soybeans.

Miso Vegan
06-02-2009, 02:01 AM
"the soy Argentina grows isn't actually feeding people"

And, Argentina doesn't really have much rainforest to speak of, so their soy isn't really the issue here.
http://rainforests.mongabay.com/amazon/

Mahk
06-02-2009, 05:09 PM
It isn't safe to assume that any soybeans that don't become livestock feed end up being consumed by humans instead. There are myriad other uses for soybeans.

Agreed, that's why I wrote:

20% is for human use.

It doesn't matter if we eat the soy or use it to make bio-fuel to power our buses and food distribution trucks, or oil for our paper shredders, other lubricants, varnishes, and lacquers, etc., it is still being used by us vegans and is still causing the deforestation of the South American rainforests (the Amazon being the largest, but that doesn't mean the others aren't important also).

"80% of the world’s soya production is fed to the livestock industry." [So 20% is used by humans for other things.]

Greenpeace, Eating up the Amazon (http://www.greenpeace.org/raw/content/international/press/reports/eating-up-the-amazon.pdf)

Mahk
06-02-2009, 07:30 PM
"And, Argentina doesn't really have much rainforest to speak of, so their soy isn't really the issue here.


Argentina holds 61 % of the largest rainforest in the Americas after the Amazon, the Great Chaco forest, which stretches over four countries and one million square kilometres in size. Although much smaller in overall size, soy production (and consequentially the deforestation problem) in Argentina comes pretty close to Brazil:
http://www.fediol.be/2/img/graph16.gif

By some estimates Argentina's (http://www.theargentimes.com/socialissues/environment/beyond-the-amazon-deforestation-in-argentina-/) already lost 70% of the forests they once had in 1900.:(

oldradical
06-02-2009, 07:33 PM
Thanks very much for that. I didn't know.

Miso Vegan
06-02-2009, 08:47 PM
So then I'm brought back to this.


So, the message is actually, "Care about the rainforest? Buy US-grown soy." And, I'd argue, organic.

VegeTexan
06-02-2009, 09:36 PM
I wish Miso was running my local HFS.

Miso Vegan
06-02-2009, 10:34 PM
I wish Miso was running my local HFS all-vegan grocery store.

fixed.

And, thanks. :)

tin can
06-03-2009, 11:20 AM
Yeah - I always think it's strange how we talk about health food shops when most are at least 50% pills and whatnot!

La Végétalienne
06-05-2009, 11:29 PM
fixed.
Not quite. Still not local to me, or to VT, for that matter.

Miso Vegan
06-06-2009, 11:32 AM
:laugh:

If you two move to Seattle, all your [vegan grocery stores managed by Miso Vegan] problems will be solved.

Mahk
06-06-2009, 12:36 PM
Soy isn't the only crop causing massive deforestation around the globe. The huge increase in demand for palm oil (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=harvesting-palm-oil-and-rainforests) (partly because people are finally believing trans-fat free oils might be a good idea after all) is killing off the orangutan's (http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/news/the-orangutan-s-rainforest-hom/the-orangutan-under-threat) habitat (and ~ 9827 other cataloged species, but they aren't as cute and cuddly so we ignore them! ;) ) in Borneo, Sumatra, and other countries. No more Earth Balance margarine for us!

Soon there will be no more PC oils left for us to use, I fear.:(

gladcow
06-08-2009, 03:56 PM
we have a whole thread about the earth balance oils. it's not as bad as it seems, with that product.